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Finder windows ?
Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-26 13:41:14 UTC
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It's weird. It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows. I can't find a setting (10.13.3) that will control that.

Any suggestion ?

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Macs R We
2018-03-26 18:22:48 UTC
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Finder / Preferences / General / checkbox at the bottom — at least in 10.12.
Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It's weird. It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows. I can't find a setting (10.13.3) that will control that.
Any suggestion ?
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Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-26 22:25:27 UTC
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Finder / Preferences / General / checkbox at the bottom — at least in 10.12.
I have an "Open folders in tabs instead of new windows" that's checked and does not seem to work.
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It's weird. It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows. I can't find a setting (10.13.3) that will control that.
Any suggestion ?
Jean-Christophe Helary
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Macs R We
2018-03-26 23:33:11 UTC
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If it’s checked and still isn’t working, my guess would be some kind of corruption. Perhaps unchecking it, quitting out, and rechecking it might repair it.
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Post by Macs R We
Finder / Preferences / General / checkbox at the bottom — at least in 10.12.
I have an "Open folders in tabs instead of new windows" that's checked and does not seem to work.
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It's weird. It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows. I can't find a setting (10.13.3) that will control that.
Any suggestion ?
Jean-Christophe Helary
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David Schwartz
2018-03-26 22:41:18 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows.
Are your Sidebar and Toolbar hidden?

-david
Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-26 22:46:59 UTC
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Post by David Schwartz
Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows.
Are your Sidebar and Toolbar hidden?
Yes. I just redisplayed them and behavior is back to normal... Weird *and* inconvenient...

Any workaround?

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Macs R We
2018-03-26 23:34:33 UTC
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Maybe the finder figures that if you have no toolbar showing, you can’t open windows in tabs, so it doesn’t.
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
It looks like all my folders now open in separate windows.
Are your Sidebar and Toolbar hidden?
Yes. I just redisplayed them and behavior is back to normal... Weird *and* inconvenient...
Any workaround?
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David Schwartz
2018-03-26 23:40:48 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
I just redisplayed them and behavior is back to normal... Weird *and* inconvenient...
It’s been that way for as long as I can remember; maybe since Mac OS X Public Beta.

So maybe inconvenient for you, but not weird anymore.
Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-27 00:56:54 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
I just redisplayed them and behavior is back to normal... Weird *and* inconvenient...
It’s been that way for as long as I can remember; maybe since Mac OS X Public Beta.
So maybe inconvenient for you, but not weird anymore.
Thank you David. I never worked without the toolbar before and in other apps the presence or absence of toolbar does not keep the app from creating a tab bar. Also, when I specifically show the tab bar in Finder but hide the toolbar, then I get back to that (weird compared to other apps) behavior.

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David Schwartz
2018-03-27 02:43:16 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
I never worked without the toolbar before and in other apps the presence or absence of toolbar does not keep the app from creating a tab bar.
I'm not sure what the Tab Bar feature, which was Recently added to macOS to allow any application to have them, has to do with how Finder behaves in regards to creating new windows when double-clicking folders. But if Finder.app needs to have the Toolbar visible to add Tabs then, um, ok.
Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
Also, when I specifically show the tab bar in Finder but hide the toolbar, then I get back to that (weird compared to other apps) behavior.
The behavior brought up in this thread has nothing to do with Tabs (which, as I noted above, is new in relatively new in Finder and even newer in all other apps), it's a Toolbar thing.

Users of MacOS 9,8,7,6... remember that double clicking a folder would, by default, open that folder in a new Window. Holding the Option key could close the enclosing window at the same time the new window opened, but the behavior of a Finder window remaining static to display the contents of the double-clicked folder was a new paradigm for Mac OS X. My guess is Apple thought they should provide a way to somewhat mimic the old behavior in the new NeXT/Mac hybrid OS. The behavior has remained the same since then. It's been 18 years; I'm used to it now.
Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-27 02:53:02 UTC
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Post by David Schwartz
Users of MacOS 9,8,7,6... remember that double clicking a folder would, by default, open that folder in a new Window.
Well, I did not remember that (I've only used Macs since OS 7) because as I wrote, I only started to work without the toolbar (to remove useless chrome) recently and was baffled to see that even though I had "open folders in tabs" checked it did not work, hence the discussion about the tab bar.

I'm not interested in Mac archeology, I'm interested in having the tool work as advertised, which is "open folders in tabs instead of new windows".

If that setting requires the tool bar, then maybe it should be greyed out when the tool bar is not shown, or something.


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@lbutlr
2018-03-27 03:04:41 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
I'm interested in having the tool work as advertised,
It does. Hiding the toolbar hides the sidebar as well and disables the menu options for showing the sidebar and the tab bar, so the UI tells you right there that the Finder tab bar requires the toolbar to be there.

When you have a tabbed finder window, you cannot run off the toolbar, which is another way the Finder tells you that the toolbar and the tab bar are linked.
Macs R We
2018-03-27 03:07:43 UTC
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I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
I'm interested in having the tool work as advertised,
It does. Hiding the toolbar hides the sidebar as well and disables the menu options for showing the sidebar and the tab bar, so the UI tells you right there that the Finder tab bar requires the toolbar to be there.
When you have a tabbed finder window, you cannot run off the toolbar, which is another way the Finder tells you that the toolbar and the tab bar are linked.
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2018-03-27 03:12:23 UTC
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I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
No, because the tab bar is a WINDOW level preference. You can have one window with tabs and another with no toolbar on screen at the same time.
Macs R We
2018-03-27 03:15:03 UTC
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Right, and that's why it doesn't gray out.
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Post by Macs R We
I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
No, because the tab bar is a WINDOW level preference. You can have one window with tabs and another with no toolbar on screen at the same time.
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Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-27 03:32:32 UTC
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Post by Macs R We
I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
No, because the tab bar is a WINDOW level preference. You can have one window with tabs and another with no toolbar on screen at the same time.
Can we agree that this is confusing ?

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@lbutlr
2018-03-27 03:50:03 UTC
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Post by Macs R We
I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
No, because the tab bar is a WINDOW level preference. You can have one window with tabs and another with no toolbar on screen at the same time.
Can we agree that this is confusing ?
If you don’t look at the menus, yes, it is confusing. If you don’t look in Finder help for “Hide toolbar", yes, it is confusing.

"• Hide or show the toolbar: Choose View > Hide Toolbar, or View > Show Toolbar.

Hiding the toolbar also hides the sidebar, and moves the status bar from the bottom to the top of the window.”

Since the status bar is at the top of the window now, mimicking Mac OS 8/9, there is no place for the tab bar.

And if you don’t google for this, you won’t find things like:

<http://osxdaily.com/2011/12/07/hide-toolbar-mac-os-x-finder-windows/>
Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
With the toolbar hidden, desktop windows take on a minimalist appearance and as a side effect, all folders open in new windows rather than be contained in the same window. This is how older versions of Mac OS behaved, and it’s very useful if you’re moving or copying items around in nested folders but can quickly lead to a lot of window clutter.
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Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-27 06:58:42 UTC
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I think he was suggesting that "Finder / Preferences / General / Open folders in tabs" should be grayed out when the tab bar is disabled.
No, because the tab bar is a WINDOW level preference. You can have one window with tabs and another with no toolbar on screen at the same time.
Can we agree that this is confusing ?
If you don’t look at the menus, yes, it is confusing. If you don’t look in Finder help for “Hide toolbar", yes, it is confusing.
No, I mean if you've gotten used to the way tabs seem to work totally fine without toolbars in other apps and you expect Finder to behave with some consistency not considering Mac history but considering the other apps coexisting in the same version of macOS.

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David Schwartz
2018-03-27 13:30:06 UTC
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Post by Jean-Christophe Helary
if you've gotten used to the way tabs seem to work totally fine without toolbars in other apps and you expect Finder to behave with some consistency not considering Mac history but considering the other apps coexisting in the same version of macOS.
The behavior of Finder in regards to Toolbar/Sidebar/windows was an original design of OS X. When Apple added Finder Tabs to Mavericks, they certainly weren't going to abandon that configuration option. Later, when system-wide tabs were introduced in Sierra, other apps wouldn't have the same constraints so they didn't get the same limitations.

That everything is not 100% consistent across multiple application interfaces is just modern Apple. And if _that_ level of inconsistency causes you consternation, you've not used Windows lately.
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